[Mesorah] כי אין הצר שוה בנזק המלך

[Mandel, Seth]

The best mss., closest to Ben Asher, all have a hataph qomatz.
In a maspretic treatise close the the time of Ben Asher, the writer notes that everyone pronounces the word with a hataph qomatz, and the only difference between scribes is whether they write it or not.
Ashkenaz had no access to the mss. close to Ben Asher, only to those that wrote just a shwa, and so no one realized that it was originally pronounced with a qomatz sign.
The Septuagint Greek version of the name also has an o in that place, not that one can rely on Greek versions of names for very much.

Rabbi Dr. Seth Mandel
Rabbinic Coordinator
The Orthodox Union

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From: Mesorah <mesorah-bounces at lists.aishdas.org> on behalf of Akiva Miller via Mesorah <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 10:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [Mesorah] כי אין הצר שוה בנזק המלך

R' David Cohen wrote:

> If you're already going to do nezek/neizek, there are plenty
> of kamatz/patach variants, too.

And all sorts of other variants as well. I'm quite an am haaretz compared to the other members of this group, but it was many years ago that I noticed two different ways of vowelizing "Mordechai": the daled can have a shva-na (like in ArtScroll) or a chataf-kamatz (like in Koren and Simanim).

R' Michael Poppers wrote:

> I would surmise that our m'sorah is trying to capture a certain
> sound that, orthographically, was denoted by some as a segol
> and by others as a tzeirah.

So too, I would surmise that the name "Mordechai" contains a certain sound that, orthographically, was denoted by some as a shva-na and by others as a chataf-kamatz. Same sound, different ways of spelling it. To read the name twice, once with a bland shva, and then with a slight vowel, seems to bring our love of textualism to yet a higher (and dare I say sillier) level. (Glad I haven't heard anyone do that!)

Akiva Miller



On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 5:59 PM Michael Poppers via Mesorah <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org<mailto:mesorah at lists.aishdas.org>> wrote:
The tzeireh vs. segol split between mss. is nothing new -- for a recent pre-Purim example, see the last word of Ex 32:6 -- and I would surmise that our m'sorah is trying to capture a certain sound that, orthographically, was denoted by some as a segol and by others as a tzeirah.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 2:47 PM Yitzchak M. Gottlieb via Mesorah <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org<mailto:mesorah at lists.aishdas.org>> wrote:
All,

First—חג פורים שמח!

In talking about the מגילה with someone today, he mentioned that the reader read the word נזק twice once with a צירה on the נון and once with a סגול. Breuer’s texts and sources (Leningrad Codex) clearly have only צירה.  However, the רד”ק in ספר השורשים says clearly שש נקודות, and קורן seems to follow that.

Has anyone seen or heard of this before?  Does anyone have a copy of one of the influential printings (e.g., Leteris, Heidenheim) that have a סגול?

Zuki

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Yitzchak M. Gottlieb
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