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The best mss., closest to Ben Asher, all have a hataph qomatz.</div>
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In a maspretic treatise close the the time of Ben Asher, the writer notes that everyone pronounces the word with a hataph qomatz, and the only difference between scribes is whether they write it or not.</div>
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Ashkenaz had no access to the mss. close to Ben Asher, only to those that wrote just a shwa, and so no one realized that it was originally pronounced with a qomatz sign.</div>
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The Septuagint Greek version of the name also has an o in that place, not that one can rely on Greek versions of names for very much.
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Mesorah <mesorah-bounces@lists.aishdas.org> on behalf of Akiva Miller via Mesorah <mesorah@lists.aishdas.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 17, 2022 10:07 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mesorah] כי אין הצר שוה בנזק המלך</font>
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<div dir="ltr">R' David Cohen wrote:<br>
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> If you're already going to do nezek/neizek, there are plenty<br>
> of kamatz/patach variants, too.<br>
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And all sorts of other variants as well. I'm quite an am haaretz compared to the other members of this group, but it was many years ago that I noticed two different ways of vowelizing "Mordechai": the daled can have a shva-na (like in ArtScroll) or a chataf-kamatz
(like in Koren and Simanim).<br>
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R' Michael Poppers wrote:<br>
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> I would surmise that our m'sorah is trying to capture a certain<br>
> sound that, orthographically, was denoted by some as a segol<br>
> and by others as a tzeirah.<br>
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So too, I would surmise that the name "Mordechai" contains a certain sound that, orthographically, was denoted by some as a shva-na and by others as a chataf-kamatz. Same sound, different ways of spelling it. To read the name twice, once with a bland shva,
and then with a slight vowel, seems to bring our love of textualism to yet a higher (and dare I say sillier) level. (Glad I haven't heard anyone do that!)
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 5:59 PM Michael Poppers via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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The tzeireh vs. segol split between mss. is nothing new -- for a recent pre-Purim example, see the last word of Ex 32:6 -- and I would surmise that our m'sorah is trying to capture a certain sound that, orthographically, was denoted by some as a segol and by
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 2:47 PM Yitzchak M. Gottlieb via Mesorah <<a href="mailto:mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" target="_blank">mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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All,<br>
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First—חג פורים שמח!<br>
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In talking about the מגילה with someone today, he mentioned that the reader read the word נזק twice once with a צירה on the נון and once with a סגול. Breuer’s texts and sources (Leningrad Codex) clearly have only צירה. However, the רד”ק in ספר השורשים says
clearly שש נקודות, and קורן seems to follow that.<br>
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Has anyone seen or heard of this before? Does anyone have a copy of one of the influential printings (e.g., Leteris, Heidenheim) that have a סגול?<br>
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Zuki<br>
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Yitzchak M. Gottlieb<br>
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