[Mesorah] Hoshanot: Samech vs Sin

[Mandel, Seth]

It is not so much a change in spelling, but the abandonment of the sin form in writing:  if it is the same letter as samekh, better use the samekh, which prevents misreading.
You will never find an original samekh written as a sin.  The change was one way only.

Rabbi Dr. Seth Mandel

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To: Akiva Miller <akivagmiller at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Mesorah] Hoshanot: Samech vs Sin

And in Ha'aderes v'He'emuna, we have, at the place where a samech would be: siguy (with a samech) but segev (with a sin)

Spelling did change over time . . . e.g., the word Sota -- in Torah with a sin (Bamidbar 5:12, 5:29), in Talmud with a samech, which is why Rambam is insistent on using a sin, but (most?) everybody else used a samech.

But what I thought RHT was asking about was the *pattern* he saw, rather than simply a replacement of sin/samech.

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 1:58 PM Akiva Miller via Mesorah <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org<mailto:mesorah at lists.aishdas.org>> wrote:
Same thing in Kel Adon and lots of other places, like last week's Al Chet - Sikur ayin and Siach sifsoseinu. I  once make a list of them, but I'm not home right now. If you want a project for yomtov afternoon,  just grab a few machzorim (don't forget kinos and selichos!) and go on a treasure hunt.

WHY and HOW this happened is far beyond me. These authors seem to have been geniuses at fancy Hebrew grammar -- I can't accept that these are rudimentary spelling errors. Maybe the "correct" spelling changed over time (like the yud that was added to David in Divrei Hayamim), but for such a great variety of words?

I'm confident that Rabbi Mandell will come along and enlighten us, but YomTov will be here soon, so I wanted to post this just in case.

Akiva Miller


On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 1:37 PM Henry Topas via Mesorah <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org<mailto:mesorah at lists.aishdas.org>> wrote:
Moed Tov,

One of my congregants has asked me why in the sequence of this morning's hoshanot, phrases in the position of samech have been replaced with phrases beginning with the letter sin in the last 4 of the 7 beginning paragraphs and again in many of the later "Hoshana Rabba only" paragraphs?

Thank you and a Git Kvitel,

HT
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