[Mesorah] New Shtick

[Yaakov Gorlin]

The problem of standing with one's back to the sefer torah also comes up during the whole laining on weeks when there are two (or three) sifrei torah.  The Mishna Berurah addresses this at the  very end of 147:s"k 29:  he says that the one sitting with the sefer should be careful to move a bit to the side ("l'hisrahek k'tzas min hatzad") so that he will not be holding the sefer behind those reading the torah.  

BTW, he also  mentions that's he's against the practice of having a small child (Na'ar katan) hold the torah -- it should at least be a "ben da'as".  He does not mention the idea of the benches with holes that can hold the torah without a human being.   I have seen such benches, but have not seen them used -- Rav Moshe has a teshuva about that (O"H vol 1, 38) -- he's very anti.

Yaakov Gorlin


> From: mandels at ou.org
> To: danestlev at gmail.com; mesorah at aishdas.org
> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:28:26 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Mesorah] New Shtick
> 
> There never was any question that originally the maftir stood in the middle of the bima.
> However, I pointed out that the bimas were constructed differently. There was a bench all the way along the back, and a place for the S'R at the side of the bench (it was not held). No one stood with his back to it.
> There were also benches for seating on all sides of the bima. However, the seating was on "ground level," and all bimas were a few steps up. No one seated on the floor on any of the sides of the bima had their back to the S'T, even though they were all facing away from the S'T.
> 
> Rabbi Seth Mandel
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> Getting back to the question that started this thread, I see that R. Hofmeister specifically relates to it in his siddur. He has a note that the Maftir should stand in the middle of the bima and not at the side, even if by doing so he has his back to the Sefer Torah. So it seems that KAJ is keeping to the old Minhag Ashkenaz in this respect.
> 
> Danny Levy
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> 
> 2012/2/26 Elazar M. Teitz <remt at juno.com<mailto:remt at juno.com>>
> And when Nusach Ashk'naz made its debut, was it not a change from whatever its practitioners had used before? Why does that moment of its creation become the point at which further change is considered a defilement of minhag avoseinu?
> 
> Is there not a nusach Ashk'naz for kabbolas Shabbos? Certainly it is not part of the "pristine" nusach Ashk'naz of the Rishonim.
> 
> EMT
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> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "R. Rich Wolpoe" <rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com<mailto:rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com>>
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> Subject: Re: [Mesorah] New Shtick
> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:30:58 +0000
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> 
> 
> There are two related Issues re: Nusach and Minhag
> 
> 1. Do we accept Nusach as is or do we roll it back to a more "authentic" earlier version?
> 
> 
> 2 Do we accept Minhag as is or do we roll it back to a more "authentic" earlier version?
> 
> And it seems sometimes that some people may wish to roll back nusach and still be open to "new" Minhag and vice versa.
> 
> --------------------
> 
> It's become obvious to me since R Hofmeister published his siddur, that the Nusach Ashkenaz at EG KAJ is not the "pristine" Nusach Ashkenaz of the Rishonim.
> 
> I can't be certain of the Minhagim, but R Binyamin Sh'lomoh Hamburger's works seem to best reveal the origins and nature of old Minhag Ashkenaz.
> Shalom and Regards, RRW
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