[Mesorah] New Shtick

[Mandel, Seth]

There never was any question that originally the maftir stood in the middle of the bima.
However, I pointed out that the bimas were constructed differently.  There was a bench all the way along the back, and a place for the S'R at the side of the bench (it was not held).  No one stood with his back to it.
There were also benches for seating on all sides of the bima.  However, the seating was on "ground level," and all bimas  were a few steps up.  No one seated on the floor on any of the sides of the bima had their back to the S'T, even though they were all facing away from the S'T.

Rabbi Seth Mandel

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Getting back to the question that started this thread, I see that R. Hofmeister specifically relates to it in his siddur.  He has a note that the Maftir should stand in the middle of the bima and not at the side, even if by doing so he has his back to the Sefer Torah.   So it seems that KAJ is keeping to the old Minhag Ashkenaz in this respect.

Danny Levy


2012/2/26 Elazar M. Teitz <remt at juno.com<mailto:remt at juno.com>>
    And when Nusach Ashk'naz made its debut, was it not a change from whatever its practitioners had used before? Why does that moment of its creation become the point at which further change is considered a defilement of minhag avoseinu?

    Is there not a nusach Ashk'naz for kabbolas Shabbos?  Certainly it is not part of the "pristine" nusach Ashk'naz of the Rishonim.

EMT

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From: "R. Rich Wolpoe" <rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com<mailto:rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com>>
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Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:30:58 +0000



There are two related Issues re: Nusach and Minhag

1. Do we accept Nusach as is or do we roll it back to a more "authentic" earlier version?


2  Do we accept Minhag as is or do we roll it back to a more "authentic" earlier version?

And it seems sometimes that some people may wish to roll back nusach and still be open to "new" Minhag and vice versa.

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It's become obvious to me since R Hofmeister published his siddur, that the Nusach Ashkenaz at EG KAJ is not the "pristine" Nusach Ashkenaz of the Rishonim.

I can't be certain of the Minhagim, but R Binyamin Sh'lomoh Hamburger's works seem to best reveal the origins and nature of old Minhag Ashkenaz.
Shalom and Regards, RRW
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