[Mesorah] kodashim

[Seth Mandel]

As surely people must have noticed by now, I care not a whit in matters of language what "people," "one," or "no one" do/does nowadays.  I am me'id, and I am sure that two of the other elders in this group (R EMT and R DB) that Jewish children when I was young were taught qomatz-alef o, pasach-alef a.  I was never taught about patach-alef.  I am not about to change girso d'yanquso because of what modern teachers say -- especially since there is no such pair of terms as "qamatz-patach" in Jewish tradition.  Ashk'nazim always said qomatz-pasach, and S'faradim said qametz-patach, but in niqqud and for those who lengthened the qametz, the first vowel in each of the names was a qametz, so it would be qaame.s paata.h.  And the Teimanim, of course pronounced them qome.s and potha.h.
 
That having been said, I admit to large inconsistencies in my missive about how to transcribe various Hebrew words and terms.  As I was writing I did not know which system to use.  If my computer only had some diacritical marks I would use a better system consistantly, but still most people would not know what I was talking about.  Then again, that would probably be for the good, it would keep me out of trouble and my words woul not end up insulting people whom I hold in high regard.


From: T613K at aol.comDate: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:28:17 -0500Subject: Re: [Mesorah] kodashimTo: sethm37 at hotmail.comCC: remt at juno.com; mesorah at lists.aishdas.org

In a message dated 2/21/2008 7:21:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sethm37 at hotmail.com writes:
  IOW, the sound pronounced /a/ would be represented by two separate digraphs, the "qomatz" and the "pasach," 
 
As to what the ge'aya/meteg actually represents, 
 
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R' Seth,
 
Even though I know dikduk only a little and trop not at all, I found your little essay about the history of Hebrew pronunciation very interesting and erudite -- I always enjoy your scholarly disquisitions.
 
I have only two little quibbles.  One, no one calls the horizontal bar (the "ah" sound) a pasach.  I don't know why, but even Ashkenazim call it a patach.  Two, if you are already using Ashkanazic transliteration, then it should be "meseg," not "meteg."
 
How do I know these things?  Mimetics, my friend. With thanks to you for that lovely and useful word.
 
Have a good Shabbos.
 
--Toby--Toby Katz=============


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