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As surely people must have noticed by now, I care not a whit in matters of language what "people," "one," or "no one" do/does nowadays. I am me'id, and I am sure that two of the other elders in this group (R EMT and R DB) that Jewish children when I was young were taught qomatz-alef o, pasach-alef a. I was never taught about patach-alef. I am not about to change girso d'yanquso because of what modern teachers say -- especially since there is no such pair of terms as "qamatz-patach" in Jewish tradition. Ashk'nazim always said qomatz-pasach, and S'faradim said qametz-patach, but in niqqud and for those who lengthened the qametz, the first vowel in each of the names was a qametz, so it would be qaame.s paata.h. And the Teimanim, of course pronounced them qome.s and potha.h.<BR>
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That having been said, I admit to large inconsistencies in my missive about how to transcribe various Hebrew words and terms. As I was writing I did not know which system to use. If my computer only had some diacritical marks I would use a better system consistantly, but still most people would not know what I was talking about. Then again, that would probably be for the good, it would keep me out of trouble and my words woul not end up insulting people whom I hold in high regard.<BR><BR><BR>
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From: T613K@aol.com<BR>Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:28:17 -0500<BR>Subject: Re: [Mesorah] kodashim<BR>To: sethm37@hotmail.com<BR>CC: remt@juno.com; mesorah@lists.aishdas.org<BR><BR>
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/21/2008 7:21:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sethm37@hotmail.com writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Tahoma color=#000000 size=2> IOW, the sound pronounced /a/ would be represented by two separate digraphs, the "qomatz" and the "pasach," </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Tahoma color=#000000 size=2>As to what the ge'aya/meteg actually represents, </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>R' Seth,</DIV>
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<DIV>Even though I know dikduk only a little and <EM>trop</EM> not at all, I found your little essay about the history of Hebrew pronunciation very interesting and erudite -- I always enjoy your scholarly disquisitions.</DIV>
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<DIV>I have only two little quibbles. One, no one calls the horizontal bar (the "ah" sound) a pasach. I don't know why, but even Ashkenazim call it a patach. Two, if you are already using Ashkanazic transliteration, then it should be "meseg," not "meteg."</DIV>
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<DIV>How do I know these things? Mimetics, my friend. With thanks to you for that lovely and useful word.</DIV>
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<DIV>Have a good Shabbos.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>--Toby<BR><B>--Toby Katz<BR>=============<BR></B><BR></FONT></DIV></FONT><BR><BR><BR>
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