[Avodah] TIDE and Austritt

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From: "Richard Wolpoe" _rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com_ 
(mailto:rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com) 
>> 2. And if so, How come Rabbi Salomon Breuer couldn't even TALK  about
Rabbi Nobel's petirah [given that Rabbi Nobel himself was  Orthodox!]?  <<


 
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Non-recognition of Reform and Conservative RABBIS  and MOVEMENTS is austritt 
of the first degree, and that is what I'm concerned  about.
 
Non-recognition of Orthodox rabbis who reject first-degree austritt is  
second degree austritt.  
 
Nobody seems to advocate that in America anymore, for various  reasons.   
Partly it has to do with the totally different communal  structure we have in 
America vs Germany, where there is no one united community  anyway and no one rav 
who is the authority of the community.  To reject the  authority of Rav 
Hirsch or his successor /in Frankfurt/ would be the height of  chutzpa, and to many 
it would be literally unforgivable.    No  rav in America holds such a 
communal position.
 
Personally I advocate austritt of the first degree but not of the second  
degree, partly because that is the position that my father and other advocates  
of austritt held and partly because it is quite literally impossible to  carry 
out a policy of austritt in the second degree -- you would have to be a  
hermit living in a cave.
 
BTW I don't remember my father ever using the word "austritt" and I am  using 
it rather loosely as a short-hand way of saying "Don't give C and R rabbis  
or their movements any public recognition as rabbis or as movements within  
Judaism."  If somebody can come up with a better word please let me  know.
 
  

--Toby  Katz
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