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size=2>From: "Richard Wolpoe" <A
href="mailto:rabbirichwolpoe@gmail.com">rabbirichwolpoe@gmail.com</A><BR>
>> 2. And if so, How come Rabbi Salomon Breuer couldn't even TALK
about<BR> Rabbi Nobel's petirah [given that Rabbi Nobel himself was
Orthodox!]? <<</FONT></DIV><FONT
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size=2>>>>>><BR>Non-recognition of Reform and Conservative RABBIS
and MOVEMENTS is austritt of the first degree, and that is what I'm concerned
about.</FONT></DIV>
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size=2>Non-recognition of Orthodox rabbis who reject first-degree austritt is
second degree austritt. </FONT></DIV>
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size=2>Nobody seems to advocate that in America anymore, for various
reasons. Partly it has to do with the totally different communal
structure we have in America vs Germany, where there is no one united community
anyway and no one rav who is the authority of the community. To reject the
authority of Rav Hirsch or his successor /in Frankfurt/ would be the height of
chutzpa, and to many it would be literally unforgivable. No
rav in America holds such a communal position.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Personally I advocate austritt of the first degree but not of the second
degree, partly because that is the position that my father and other advocates
of austritt held and partly because it is quite literally impossible to
carry out a policy of austritt in the second degree -- you would have to be a
hermit living in a cave.</DIV>
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<DIV>BTW I don't remember my father ever using the word "austritt" and I am
using it rather loosely as a short-hand way of saying "Don't give C and R rabbis
or their movements any public recognition as rabbis or as movements within
Judaism." If somebody can come up with a better word please let me
know.</DIV>
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"><B><BR></B><BR><B>--Toby
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