[Mesorah] Oleh v'Yored without esnachto

[galsaba at aol.com]

You are correct. Breuer wrote about it on page 315. Earlier today (or last night) I wrote that I am not sure if that Pazer is Temurat Ole VeYored or Temurat Etnach. 
Why no Etnach? Because the Ravia came instead. Why no Ole Veyored in some verses? Because the Azla LeGarme came instead...
I did not undertand what you wrote on your last sentence.


Aharon Gal201-414-7190 

    On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 10:32:54 PM EST, Ze'ev Atlas <zatlas1 at yahoo.com> wrote:  
 
 This subject of temurot has been discused... there is even, at least one case of pazer being a temurah for esnah. That does not resolve the original question, why there is no esnah to begin with.  I can show you in the doctoral disertation that I have purchasd (in poertc Hebrew)
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  On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 9:21 PM, rabbirichwolpoe<rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com> wrote:   The Ravia on the word Kodsho replaces the Etnach.>>
Sounds like -The Ravia is the temuro for the "missing" esnach


 RRW

-------- Original message --------From: galsaba at aol.com Date: 11/22/23 19:34 (GMT-05:00) To: rabbirichwolpoe <rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com> Cc: mesorah at aishdas.org Subject: Re: [Mesorah] Oleh v'Yored without esnachto 
Actually, it has...more or less
The Ravia on the word Kodsho replaces the Etnach. When to the left side of the Etnach there is a section that should not be divided, then the Etnach is replaced by Ravia.  You can see it in many Pesukim.
Aharon Gal201-414-7190 

    On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 06:53:07 PM EST, rabbirichwolpoe via Mesorah <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:  
 
 
Simple question:Why would a passuk with taamei emes have an oleh v'yored without an esnach?
Well-known illustration:
Tehillim 145:21יד: {כא} תְּהִלַּ֥ת יְהוָ֗-ה יְֽדַבֶּ֫ר-פִּ֥י וִיבָרֵ֣ךְ כָּל-בָּ֭שָׂר שֵׁ֥ם קָדְשׁ֗וֹ לְעוֹלָ֥ם וָעֶֽד: (פ)
To me: it's loosely like having a zarko segol without an esnachto.  


 RRW
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