<html><head></head><body><div class="ydpbba0dfc8yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">You are correct. Breuer wrote about it on page 315. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Earlier today (or last night) I wrote that I am not sure if that Pazer is Temurat Ole VeYored or Temurat Etnach. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Why no Etnach? Because the Ravia came instead. Why no Ole Veyored in some verses? Because the Azla LeGarme came instead...</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I did not undertand what you wrote on your last sentence.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div><br></div><div class="ydpbba0dfc8signature"><div style="color: black; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;">Aharon Gal<div>201-414-7190</div></div></div></div>
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On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 10:32:54 PM EST, Ze'ev Atlas <zatlas1@yahoo.com> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydpdc463b28yiv8702172627"><div>This subject of temurot has been discused... there is even, at least one case of pazer being a temurah for esnah. That does not resolve the original question, why there is no esnah to begin with. I can show you in the doctoral disertation that I have purchasd (in poertc Hebrew)<div><br clear="none"></div><div>זאב</div><div><br clear="none"><div id="ydpdc463b28yiv8702172627ymail_android_signature"><a shape="rect" id="ydpdc463b28yiv8702172627ymail_android_signature_link" href="https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></div> <br clear="none"> <div id="ydpdc463b28yiv8702172627yqt04403" class="ydpdc463b28yiv8702172627yqt0131214884"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 20px 0;"> <div style="font-family:Roboto, sans-serif;color:#6D00F6;"> <div>On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 9:21 PM, rabbirichwolpoe</div><div><rabbirichwolpoe@gmail.com> wrote:</div> </div> <div style="padding:10px 0 0 20px;margin:10px 0 0 0;border-left:1px solid #6D00F6;"> <div id="ydpdc463b28yiv8702172627"><div><div>The Ravia on the word Kodsho replaces the Etnach.>></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Sounds like -</div><div>The Ravia is the temuro for the "missing" esnach</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="ydpdc463b28yiv8702172627composer_signature"> RRW</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div align="left" style="font-size:100%;color:#000000;"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: galsaba@aol.com </div><div>Date: 11/22/23 19:34 (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: rabbirichwolpoe <rabbirichwolpoe@gmail.com> </div><div>Cc: mesorah@aishdas.org </div><div>Subject: Re: [Mesorah] Oleh v'Yored without esnachto </div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" class="ydpdc463b28yiv8702172627ydp80c3218dyahoo-style-wrap"><div><div dir="ltr">Actually, it has...</div><div dir="ltr">more or less</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">The Ravia on the word Kodsho replaces the Etnach. When to the left side of the Etnach there is a section that should not be divided, then the Etnach is replaced by Ravia. You can see it in many Pesukim.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div class="ydpdc463b28yiv8702172627ydp80c3218dsignature"><div style="color:black;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial;">Aharon Gal<div>201-414-7190</div></div></div></div>
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On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 06:53:07 PM EST, rabbirichwolpoe via Mesorah <mesorah@lists.aishdas.org> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydpdc463b28yiv8702172627ydpefad1de7yiv9908456449"><div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Simple question:</div><div>Why would a passuk with taamei emes have an oleh v'yored without an esnach?</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Well-known illustration:</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Tehillim 145:21</div><div><span style="font-size:28px;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:SIL;">יד:</span><span style="font-family:David;font-size:28px;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"> </span><a shape="rect" style="font-family:David;font-size:28px;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"></a><span style="font-family:David;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-size:24px;"><b><span style="color:rgb(47, 109, 187);">{כא}</span></b> </span><span style="font-size:28px;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:SIL;">תְּהִלַּ֥ת יְהוָ֗-ה יְֽדַבֶּ֫ר-פִּ֥י וִיבָרֵ֣ךְ כָּל-בָּ֭שָׂר שֵׁ֥ם קָדְשׁ֗וֹ לְעוֹלָ֥ם וָעֶֽד:</span><span style="font-family:David;font-size:28px;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"> </span><b style="font-family:David;font-size:28px;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">(פ)</b></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>To me:</div><div> it's loosely like having a zarko segol without an esnachto. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="ydpdc463b28yiv8702172627ydpefad1de7yiv9908456449composer_signature"> RRW</div><div><br clear="none"></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Mesorah mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/mesorah-aishdas.org</a><br clear="none"></div>
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