[Mesorah] three consecutive shvas

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I searched using Tochnat HaKeter Bar Ilan.  With the software that you can download (not the one on line), there is an option to search by vowel only.  I could not find in any of the Targumim a word which has three consecutive Sheva. 

Aharon201-414-7190

Aaron201-414-7190

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From: Akiva Miller via Mesorah <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org>
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R' Ahaon Gal asked:
>>> Can anyone explain to me what the problem is?>>> I looked at the Hebrew/English ArtScroll Chumash, the Hebrew Devarim only) Arstctoll Chumash, Tikun Kor'im Simanim, Taj (Yemenite) Chumash, and other Chumashim.>>> In all of them the word "ularmela"  וּלְאַרְמְלָא verses 19, 20, 21 is spelled the same way.
I don't have any of the Chumashim you listed, but I have three others, and they are the same as yours.
Apparently, the problem is only in the new ArtScroll Onkelos, where all three are spelled with a tav near the end.In 19 it is spelled with a shva on the mem: וּלְאַרְמְלְתָּאIn 20 and 21 it is spelled with a patach on the mem: וּלְאַרְמַלְתָּא
I'm glad that I have not yet alerted ArtScroll to this, because now the question is more complicated: Should the tav be there or not?
Akiva Miller
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 6:45 AM Aaron Gal via Mesorah <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:

Can anyone explain to me what the problem is?
I looked at the Hebrew/English Arstcroll Chumash, the Hebrew Devarim only) Arstctoll Chumash, Tikun Kor'im Simanim, Taj (Yemenite) Chumash, and other Chumashim.In all of them the word "ularmela"  וּלְאַרְמְלָא verses 19, 20, 21 is spelled the same way.

Aharon201-414-7190

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From: Akiva Miller via Mesorah <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org>
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Subject: [Mesorah] three consecutive shvas

The usual rule for two consecutive shvas is that the first is nach and the second is na. (Example: nifl'osecha in Modim)
What about when there are three? I don't know if it ever happens in Hebrew, but I just found an example in Aramaic: Onkelos' translation of v'laalmana in Devarim 24:19. Shvas are on the resh, mem, and lamed. My first guess was to read them nach na na: ul-ar-m-l-ta. But then I realized it could also be nach nach na: ul-arm-l-ta.
Just wondering if anyone more familiar with Aramaic wants to offer their ideas. (And by the way, no puns intended if anyone thinks there's any Breslover influence on how I phrased this. Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
Akiva Miller
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