[Mesorah] a note about L'shon Chazal

[Akiva Miller]

These comparisons between koneh and lakach, between l'hadliq and l'haalot
eish ... these conversations are so rich in information, and so very
important for a proper understanding of whichever text we're reading at the
moment. I deeply appreciate and understand these distinctions, but my brain
is too weak to retain them. Oh, how I wish there were a printed reference
work, a bilingual dictionary from Leshon Tanach to Leshon Chazal, and vice
versa. And while we're at it, a third column for Ivrit as well. In so many
respects they are actually 3 separate languages, because it's not just that
the root words have changed their meanings, but even the rules of grammar
have changed.

Is it possible that such a work might already exist? I am NOT asking for a
"History of the Development of the Hebrew Language"; we have plenty of
those. I mean something organized as a reference work, so that someone
could look up a word to insure that my familiarity isn't leading me astray.
And if such a work would be written in a neutral third-party language (like
English) so much the better.

Akiva Miller

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 4:57 PM Mandel, Seth via Mesorah <
mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:

> Which is why I originally mentioned only that it was used referring to
> HQBH, who is referred to as Qoneh shomayim vo'oretz. I remembered that RYBS
> had said that the others uses derive somehow.
> My point was purely linguistic, and it was how meanings of words shift, so
> I tried to abbreviate what I said, since my main point was about l'hadliq.
>
> Rabbi Dr. Seth Mandel
> Rabbinic Coordinator
> The Orthodox Union
>
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> *From:* Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 1, 2020 3:33 PM
> *To:* Mandel, Seth <mandels at ou.org>
> *Cc:* mesorah at lists.aishdas.org <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org>; Zev Sero <
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> *Subject:* Re: [Mesorah] a note about L'shon Chazal
>
> On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 05:11:49PM +0000, Mandel, Seth via Mesorah wrote:
> > Yes, but not in the sense of buying, but specialized in the sense of
> "gaining possession," as in qinyan keseph and qinyan chalippin, and gold is
> qoneh silver.
>
> Qinyan in rabbinic hebrew goes beyond posession, like the qinyan sudar
> I am not using this year to appoint a shaliach to sell my chameitz.
>
> It's a formalization ritual, which no longer is associated with formalizing
> a transfer of ownership.
>
> RYBS suggested that qinyan as in purchasing comes from qoneh as making.
> A maker naturally owns what they made. From which we also get tiqun,
> to repair. Barter was a way of transferring ownership, which meant that
> I then owned what you made, and you own what I made. And we didn't all
> have to make ourselves every little thing we needed. And so, a qinyan
> on something is establishing a connection to the item from back when it
> was made. Now consider, "Ha'ishah niqneis..."
>
> This ties in to the idea that qinyan haaretz can be lesha'atah ule'asid
> lavo, unlike kibbush.
>
> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha
>
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