[Mesorah] a note about L'shon Chazal

[Mandel, Seth]

Which is why I originally mentioned only that it was used referring to HQBH, who is referred to as Qoneh shomayim vo'oretz. I remembered that RYBS had said that the others uses derive somehow.
My point was purely linguistic, and it was how meanings of words shift, so I tried to abbreviate what I said, since my main point was about l'hadliq.

Rabbi Dr. Seth Mandel
Rabbinic Coordinator
The Orthodox Union

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From: Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 3:33 PM
To: Mandel, Seth <mandels at ou.org>
Cc: mesorah at lists.aishdas.org <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org>; Zev Sero <zev at sero.name>
Subject: Re: [Mesorah] a note about L'shon Chazal

On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 05:11:49PM +0000, Mandel, Seth via Mesorah wrote:
> Yes, but not in the sense of buying, but specialized in the sense of "gaining possession," as in qinyan keseph and qinyan chalippin, and gold is qoneh silver.

Qinyan in rabbinic hebrew goes beyond posession, like the qinyan sudar
I am not using this year to appoint a shaliach to sell my chameitz.

It's a formalization ritual, which no longer is associated with formalizing
a transfer of ownership.

RYBS suggested that qinyan as in purchasing comes from qoneh as making.
A maker naturally owns what they made. From which we also get tiqun,
to repair. Barter was a way of transferring ownership, which meant that
I then owned what you made, and you own what I made. And we didn't all
have to make ourselves every little thing we needed. And so, a qinyan
on something is establishing a connection to the item from back when it
was made. Now consider, "Ha'ishah niqneis..."

This ties in to the idea that qinyan haaretz can be lesha'atah ule'asid
lavo, unlike kibbush.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha


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