[Mesorah] "P'nimiyus"

[elazar teitz]

     The use of the pasuk "Kol atzmosy" as a remez to movement of the body
during davening long antedates chasidus.  It appears in the Abudarham, and
is cited in the RM"A in OC 48.

EMT

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Mandel, Seth via Mesorah <
mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:

> I do not know any English speaker who would call shockeling "swaying."
> Rocking, perhaps.
>
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> Rabbi Dr. Seth Mandel
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> *From:* Toby Katz <t613k at aol.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 2:44 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Mesorah] "P'nimiyus"
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> In a message dated 6/6/2018 2:32:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mandels at ou.org writes:
>
> No. Swaying existed during davening, but not shockeling.
>
> The posuq, as you can see, does not define what action is being taken.
> You must be able to realize that it is chasidim who use this posuq as a
> "proof," but the posuq does not mean that at all.  Swaying would also meet
> the description, as would any other action.
>
>
> Rabbi Dr. Seth Mandel
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>  >>>>>
>
> I am not sure what is the difference between swaying and shuckeling,
> except perhaps the speed and extent of forward motion.
>
> Yes (sigh) I realize that Dovid Hamelech did not actually have shuckeling
> in mind when  he wrote Tehillim, and probably did not have any movement in
> mind at all.  But the way people use this pasuk suggests shuckeling is an
> old thing.  Swaying, if you prefer.
>
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