[Mesorah] "P'nimiyus"

[Mandel, Seth]

My question was about the origin of the phrase in its current meanings.

Once a phrase is popularized, it is used by everyone, because the new meaning is not considered strange anymore.

A slightly different example: before chasidus, no one shockled during davening (not any Jews anywhere that I have heard about).  Swayed, yes, but no one calls swaying "shockeling."  After chasidim popularized it, it was not considered strange any more and was adopted by almost all groups.

It was never seen in the old days in Breuer's or Teimani shuls.  Nowadays, however, even some Teimani younger guys have started doing it.  I do not know about what goes on now in Breuer's.


Rabbi Dr. Seth Mandel
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From: Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 11:26 AM
To: Mandel, Seth
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Subject: Re: [Mesorah] "P'nimiyus"

On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 12:48:45PM +0000, Mandel, Seth wrote:
: so Ohr haChaim is possibly the source for the chasidic usage, since he was very much used by them.  As was the alSheikh.
:
: The Malbim is after the advent of Chasidus.

But not a Chassid. (In fact, he was publicly attacked by numerous
Chassidim on allegations of being a Maskil. The Belzer Rebbe spoke up
in his defense. Ger still won't use him.) Which was why I thought he
was an interesting example.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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