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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">My question was about the origin of the phrase in its current meanings.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Once a phrase is popularized, it is used by everyone, because the new meaning is not considered strange anymore.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">A slightly different example: before chasidus, no one shockled during davening (not any Jews anywhere that I have heard about). Swayed, yes, but no one calls swaying "shockeling." After chasidim popularized it, it was
not considered strange any more and was adopted by almost all groups.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">It was never seen in the old days in Breuer's or Teimani shuls. Nowadays, however, even some Teimani younger guys have started doing it. I do not know about what goes on now in Breuer's.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 6, 2018 11:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mandel, Seth<br>
<b>Cc:</b> mesorah@aishdas.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mesorah] "P'nimiyus"</font>
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<div class="PlainText">On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 12:48:45PM +0000, Mandel, Seth wrote:<br>
: so Ohr haChaim is possibly the source for the chasidic usage, since he was very much used by them. As was the alSheikh.<br>
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: The Malbim is after the advent of Chasidus.<br>
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But not a Chassid. (In fact, he was publicly attacked by numerous<br>
Chassidim on allegations of being a Maskil. The Belzer Rebbe spoke up<br>
in his defense. Ger still won't use him.) Which was why I thought he<br>
was an interesting example.<br>
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