[Mesorah] vayichadd

[Yaakov Gorlin via Mesorah]

What about the sh'wa in the bet/daled?  I've always assumed they were nach and exceptions to the rules of (a) two sh'wa in a row, first is nach second is na and (b) anything with a dagesh and a sh'wa also being sh'wa na. Is that correct
 
While on that subject, what about the two sh'was in Rus 2:19 in Likatt (lamed, kuf, tes, tof).  Are they also two sh'wa nachs?  And if so, how can that be done with the tes and a tof?  I cannot help but make the first one (the tes) a sh'wa na.
 
Yaakov Gorlin

 
To: michaelpoppers at gmail.com; mesorah at aishdas.org
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 20:23:06 +0000
Subject: Re: [Mesorah] vayichadd
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I was m'qattzer, but Iintended to answer Sholom's question.  The dagesh is qal, just as in 

וַיִּשְׁבְּ, and the sh'wa is the same in both words. The underlying vowel of the chet is a sh'wa nach, which appears as a pasach because of the influence
 of the chet.












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From: Michael Poppers <michaelpoppers at gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 2:45 PM

To: Mandel, Seth

Cc: Sholom Simon

Subject: Re: [Mesorah] vayichadd
 




Forgive me, but I think Sholom was asking why the last letter had a dageish and a sh'va (both of which seem extraneous) and may have also been asking what type of dageish was in the daled.





The little I can contribute is an observation: I only recall seeing the phenomenon with BGDKFTh letters, so it seems like the dageish is "qal" and meant to distinguish the consonant's sound.  Strictly speaking, the sh'va [nach] may not be necessary, but it
 clarifies (if there was any doubt) that the consonant is to be pronounced.



On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Mandel, Seth via Mesorah
<mesorah at lists.aishdas.org> wrote:



As an early rishon (IIRC, R Yonah ibn Jannah) said, this is basically the same form as

וַיִּשְׁבְּ

However, the sh'wa under the shin
 becomes a pasach under the influence of the chet.


















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From: Mesorah <mesorah-bounces at lists.aishdas.org> on behalf of Sholom Simon via Mesorah <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org>

Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 8:59 PM

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Subject: [Mesorah] vayichadd
 




Shemos 18:9 starts off with the word "vayichadd" -- the final dalet having a dagesh and a shva.

Apologies if this is a simple question: what is that?  Why does the word need that as an ending?

Shavua tov!

-- Sholom

 







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