[Mesorah] Melo Khol Ha'aretz Kevodo

[Ben Kandel via Mesorah]

The verbal form in Hebrew that corresponds to the present in English is
generally regarded as a participle, a kind of adjective derived from a
verb.  (See, for example,
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Gesenius%27_Hebrew_Grammar/50._The_Participle
and
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Gesenius%27_Hebrew_Grammar/116._The_Participles.)
 I think this may explain why translating directly into English ("building
of Y-M" etc.) sounds so strange.

2016-01-19 12:44 GMT-05:00 Zev Sero via Mesorah <mesorah at lists.aishdas.org>:

> On 01/19/2016 12:27 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 11:47:21AM -0500, Zev Sero via Mesorah wrote:
>> : On 01/19/2016 10:32 AM, Micha Berger via Mesorah wrote:
>> : >"Bonei" is the semichut, we shift to tzeirei not to change from
>> "building"
>> : >to builder" but to add the "of" for "of Y-m".
>> :
>> : But we only do this for the noun, not for the  verb.   "Vayhi boneh
>> `ir."
>>
>> Again, I am asserting there is no noun vs verb. You are imposing
>> categories that are not native to the domain.
>>
>
> But there clearly is a verb, since it doesn't change when attached to
> an object.  Again, "vayhi boneh `ir", or as RSM cited, "`oseh shomayim
> vo'oretz".
>
>
> the idea that what you think are two concepts are supposed to be phrased
>>  in a way that would be ambiguous
>>
>
> Except that they aren't.
>
>
> (Why is the non-Chassid the one here arguing for omnisignificance?)
>>
>
> Because whose ox is gored shouldn't make any difference.  We are not
> lawyers making cases for our clients, and ignoring any evidence that's
> not helpful.
>
>
> But I am denying the "rather than". I am NOT claiming that "he is
>> buiding" is the primary meaning, but that both meanings are primary
>> and should really be thought of as one-and-thesame.
>>
>
> I understand what you are claiming, but the words are primary, and
> they don't support it.   Like RSM I don't think there's any difference
> in meaning between the verb and noun, but they are different words,
> and therefore they behave differently.
>
>
>
> --
> Zev Sero               All around myself I will wave the green willow
> zev at sero.name          The myrtle and the palm and the citron for a week
>                And if anyone should ask me the reason why I'm doing that
>                I'll say "It's a Jewish thing; if you have a few minutes
>                I'll explain it to you".
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