[Mesorah] Goy Gadol? or Gadol Atzum? Also VeAnita veAmarta

[Dov Bloom]

The pair of adjectives 'rav' 'atzum' appears frequently together in tenach.
Often in plural eg Goyim rabim vatzumin. Probably should be understood as a
semantic  unit like 'tov ve yafe' or  lehavdil 'big and tough' 'rough and
ready'.
Shmot 1:9 am bnei yisrael rav veatzum
Yoel 2:2 am rav veatzum
Dvarim 7:1 goyim rabim vatzumin.
Also dvarimb 9:1 11:23
Dvarim 9:14 zecharia 8:22
dvarim 4:38
See also bemidbar 32:1 mikneh rav ... atzum discussed in Perlman Dapei chug
leTaamei hamikra v 2 # 48
I am sure that this fact  affected the taamin which group rav + atzum
together and the tipecha-mafsik on gadol as pointed out by MP.

A similar literal misunderstsnding of a pair of words in the same parasha.
A pair that should be understood as one semantic unit and not two. 'veanita
vamarta' - not two verbs 'answer and say' (because there is no one to
answer there). It means ' lift up your voice and say ' or in better
English with one verb  "Proclaim".
see mechilta derashbi on this pasuk, mentioned in a wonderful tshuva of R
Yechiel Yaacov Weinberg in Sridei Eish
 On Apr 6, 2014 9:43 AM, "Michael Poppers" <michaelpoppers at gmail.com> wrote:

> One might consider the association of "gadol" with "goy" stronger than
> that of "atzum" or "rav" with "goy" just because there's a *tipcha* on
> "gadol" [the first of the three adjectives] -- in listing a series of three
> adjectives, with the strongest *mafsiq* of the phrase (noun and its
> adjectives) on the third adjective, the Torah could have graced the second
> [and third] rather than the first [and third] with *mafsiqim*, e.g. Deu 10<http://www.mechon-mamre.org/c/ct/c0510.htm>
> :17.
>
> Gut Voch/Shavu'a Tov and all the best from
> *Michael Poppers* * Elizabeth, NJ, USA
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Kenneth Miller <kennethgmiller at juno.com>wrote:
>
>> Devarim 26:5, "Vayhi sham l'goy gadol atzum v'rav"
>>
>> What's the best way to parse the "gadol"? Is it closer to goy or to
>> atzum? I do see "goy gadol" with mercha-tipcha, which I usually understand
>> to be a joined phrase, but it's always good to check.
>>
>> Here's why I ask: The Hagada has separate paragraphs for perushim on
>> "goy", "atzum", and "rav", but not for "gadol". In my experience, it is
>> lumped together with "atzum", but that's not necessarily so.
>>
>> "An Exalted Evening" (by Rabbi Menachem Genack, based on the teachings of
>> RYB Soloveitchik) pg 67 fills three whole paragraphs, explicitly on the
>> phrase "goy gadol". It's very nice, and I recommend it to others, but
>> before I say it over at my Seder, I wanted to double-check how it holds up
>> to the trop.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Akiva Miller
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