[Mesorah] Tizku vs Tizki

[Nehemiah Klein]

I do not believe it is right to say Chassidim are wrong in this manner,
remember this is the mesorah list and their mesorah is say the shuruk like
a chirik is just that - their mesorah, they know what is a shuruk and what
is a chirik.  If you wish to point out mistakes of groups, the modern day
Israelis have far more mistakes and what's more - they are not following
their mesorah.  E.g. eitTZEL rather thatn EItzel (next to), shmoNAH esrei
rather than shmoNEH esreii, and far far more..  So I would simply leave it
as tizki is the mesorah chassidim have, which may be different from the
rest of ours, and not that they are wrong until we can really clarify what
is more authentic.


On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:

> Aside from the fact that in the Galicianisher *havarah* the feminine
> singular and the plural are homophones....
>
> There is also the question of adapting the accepted coinage for the
> singular when speaking to one person. "*Leshanah tovah teikhaseiv*" or "*
> teikhaseivu*"? "*HaMaqom* *yenacheim osekha*/-*akh*" or "*eskhem*" and if
> all the *aveilim* are women, should it be "*eskhen*"? (The latter has
> other arguments for staying in the plural; the *baqashah* might also
> include *nechamah* for the *niftar*'s *neshamah*, meaning there is always
> at least two being referred to.) AFAIK, everyone says "*shalom aleikhem*"
> even to one person, but the gemara's discussion of *tokh kedei dibur* has
> "*shalom alekha rebbe *[*umori*]."
>
> Similarly here. The coinage is usually quoted in the plural, "*tizku
> lemitzvos*". Does one stick with the coinage, or customize the *diqduq*for the recipient?
>
> Personally, I go with the latter, for two reasons:
>
> 1- My natural tendency not to conform.
>
> 2- I prefer actions that provoke thought. Someone surprised to hear "*tiskeh/i
> lemitzvos*" is likely to pause and register what the words mean. Rather
> than just an empty greeting ritual. How seriously does *shamayim* take a *
> berakhah* rattled off ritually with no *kavanah* content?
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Michael Kopinsky <mkopinsky at _gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Of course, what I meant is that tizku is plural, and tizki is singular
>> feminine. The singular masculine form would be tizkeh.
>>
>> Lesson: I should not send emails past bedtime.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Michael Kopinsky <mkopinsky at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Tizku is masculine. Tizki is feminine or for people who don't know
>>> grammar (e.g. chassidim).
>>>
>>> (Yeah, you'll tell me chassidim aren't wrong, they're just different.
>>> But u and i r betr than spelin or sayn things rong. :-) )
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Yosef Skolnick <yskolnick at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi-
>>>>
>>>> I have heard people saying tizku limitzvos and some saying tizki
>>>> limitzvos, anyone know the difference or why there seems to be a split, is
>>>> one just a mistake?
>>>>
>>>
>
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