[Mesorah] V'lokachas Vayeitzei 30:15

[Mandel, Seth]

Regarding the actual girsa in Onklos, the one printed in chumashim is unreliable for almost anything.  The Teimani is more reliable, since they read it every Shabbos, and it has the infinitive, just as RaShY did.

Rabbi Seth Mandel
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On Mar 12, 2012, at 7:59 AM, "Ben Kandel" <bkandel at yu.edu<mailto:bkandel at yu.edu>> wrote:

The text on CAL (http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/, the most easily accessible source of accurate targum texts) for Targum Yerushalmi has it in infinitive, as in Onkelos (in the CAL text and in Rashi, as opposed to the printed versions in our chumashim).
Also, as far as I know, stam Targum is always Onkelos (in all Bavli-based rabbinic works, and not just in Rashi), but I would be very interested if someone could prove this wrong.

As a methodological point, the targumim often rewrite pesukim idiomatically.  The way a targum phrases a particular pasuk does not necessarily indicate how they understood the grammatical structure, especially in a case such as this where the grammar is unambiguous.  Therefore, just because our printed Onkelos has "v'tisvin", it does not mean that he actually understood the grammatical form as meaning "you will take".

Kol tuv

Ben

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Poppers, Michael <MPoppers at kayescholer.com<mailto:MPoppers at kayescholer.com>> wrote:
> You (fem sing) would have a dagesh in the tab and a shewa underneath <
Under ideal/academic circumstances, agreed (and, FTR, REMT made the same point privately).  My response to REMT was, "Yes, I think that may be why RaShY favors T[Y]!  Thanks."

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-- Michael Poppers via BB pager
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