[Mesorah] FW: Psalm 145, Zecher vs. Zeicher

[Sholom Simon]

On Thu, February 23, 2012 10:06 am, Mandel, Seth wrote:
> 1) The minhag is to repeat the entire posuq, not just the word.

FWIW, the Lubavitch minhag is just to repeat the word.

Thanks for the below.  The only thing I have to add is that I just found
an Iggros Moshe discussing the issue, and, it appears from his words that
there is indeed a minhag, somewhere (I'm guessing not just L) to repeat
only the word.

http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=922&st=&pgnum=111


> 2) Absolutely.  However, some people understand Tosfos, quoted by the SA,
> as saying that the actual reading on Shabbos Zakhor is d'orayso, and so
> make a big deal of it.  The truth is that Tosfos also mentions parshas
> Poro as being d'orayso, but the acharonim ignore that because they can't
> figure out the source.  As I have pointed out in shi'ur, Tosfos probably
> considers all 4 parshiyos to be d'orayso, like many of the G'onim, but
> with a different meaning than people think nowadays.  And the Rambam
> definitely thinks all 4 are d'rabbonan.
> AFAIK, the modern day custom of stopping everything and having the rov
> make an announcement about everyone should have in mind to be yotze the
> reading of the parsha is a modern-day practice.  I know it was not done by
> RYBS, nor in Chevron, nor in other O. synagogues in my youth.
> I do not remember how wide-spread the practice of repeating the posuq on
> Shabbos Zokhor was in my youth.
>
> Rabbi Seth Mandel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sholom Simon [mailto:sholom at aishdas.org]
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:55 AM
> To: rabbi.rich.wolpoe at gmail.com
> Cc: Mandel, Seth; 'D&E-H Bannett'; 'Nehemiah Klein'; Rabbi Elazar M.
> Teitz; mesorah at lists.aishdas.org
> Subject: Re: [Mesorah] FW: Psalm 145, Zecher vs. Zeicher
>
> OK, wading into waters way above my head here:
>
>> MB recommends repeating Zeicher./Zecher davka at parshas Zachor due to
>> it's being a safeik d'oraisso
>
> Two basic questions on that -- (without looking at M"B, as I don't have
> one at the office here);
>
> 1.  If one says "zeicher zecher", isn't that generally halachicly treated
> as though one is correcting himself, and it's treated as if you only said
> the second word?
>
> 2.  What's the d'oraissa here?  Sure, it's d'oraissa to "remember
> Amalek",
> but is the particular method in which we remember Amalek d'oraissa?  (And
> if the chiyuv to remember only once per year, and we have two other
> readings which mention Amalek...).
>
> (Apologies if these are naive beginner questions)
>
> -- Sholom
>
>


-- Sholom