[Mesorah] She'ata / Sha'ata
R. Rich Wolpoe
rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com
Mon Feb 20 13:34:48 PST 2012
Dear R Hayyim Obbadyah
I do not follow your post
We are discussing the pausal form at the end of a phrase
EG in ashkenaz
Oved instead of Eved
Gover instead of Gever
The question is does Geshem become the pausal form Goshem at the end of the phrase?
EG The Pausal form "Tol" appears in "Morid Hattol" in many eidot mizrach siddurim as well as in many ashkenazic siddurim
Some siddurim hare rolled this back to Hattal. EG Hoffmeister
Summary
There are 3 separate issues
1. Do pausal forms belong in davening at all?
2. Is Goshem a legitimate pausal form of Geshem
3. Does the break before m"chalkeil Hayyim merit a pausal form at all?
#1 I claim yes because I can produce many examples across minhaggim. That does not mean that Hanau et. Al. Did not add any new ones. Maybe they did.
#2 if R Seth Mandel is correct, no such form Goshem exists. Otherwise it remains ambiguous
#3. If you have komatz under Hattol, then it is a legitimate pausal break. If you have a patach then it's not
Shalom and Regards, RRW
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