[Mesorah] Vesamti Kadkhod

Wed Aug 15 01:14:43 PDT 2007

The question of the second kaf [being rafah after a sh'va nach] is no major
problem at all. 

Surely not according to Rashi (see Tehillim 76,4, Re: Rish-pey v. Rish-fey)
and Ibn Ezra (see Moznayim, Offenbach Ed. Page 7a, Re: Ul-vinyomin nathan)
who neither consider nor mention such a rule at all. But also not according
to the Radak, who does indeed mention it as a rule, not without admitting
that it has quite a few yotze'im min ha'Klall (Michlol, Lyk Ed., page 140
a/b). Also Minchat Shay (Bamidbar 11,16) shares this view.

Later Medakdekim (and/or Maskilim!), who ignored the shita of the above
mentioned Gedole Hameforshim, and stated as an undisputable rule that any
sh'va before BGDKF"T must absolutely be na and not nach, have been rebuked
by R' Wolf Heidenheim (in his footnotes to Moznaym, quoted above) and
others. 

Berysz Rosenberg

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Von: mesorah-bounces at lists.aishdas.org
[mailto:mesorah-bounces at lists.aishdas.org] Im Auftrag von Seth Mandel
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. August 2007 00:38
An: Danny.Levy at teva.co.il; ddcohen at gmail.com; Mesorah at lists.aishdas.org
Betreff: Re: [Mesorah] Vesamti Kadkhod

The hardmess of the first kef is older than that.  It is listed as one of
the 7 Ogerah cases -- i.e. exceptions to the normal rules -- in the
fragments of the ancient masoretic literature in Arabic that are supposed to
stem from Ben Asher himself.  Other examples classified as Ogerah are the 
first kaf in the first mi kamokha in Shirat haYam, as well as the hard gimel
in ga'ah and the hard kaf in yidd'mu ka'aven also in the Shira.

The second kaf, yesh d'varim b'go, and I do not have time to elaborate.  It
is better for me to turn this over to my elder, anyway...

Seth Mandel

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From:  Danny.Levy at teva.co.il
To:  "David E Cohen" <ddcohen at gmail.com>, <Mesorah at lists.aishdas.org>
Subject:  Re: [Mesorah] Vesamti Kadkhod
Date:  Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:45:08 +0300

This is one of the exceptions to the 

BGDKF"T rule.  You will find it included in the list of exceptions 

in the Mesorah Gedolah on Daniel 5:11 (above the text in your Mikra'os 

Gelolos).   

Minchas Shai there in Daniel writes 

that reasons can be given for all the exceptions but he does not give a 

reason for this one.  Many of the exceptions are in Shiras Hayam and 

there he gives some interesting reasons (see Minchas Shai on Sh'mos 15:11, 

13 and 16). 

Danny Levy

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