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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The question of the second kaf [being rafah
after a sh’va nach] is no major problem at all. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Surely not according to Rashi (see Tehillim
76,4, Re: Rish-pey v. Rish-fey) and Ibn Ezra (see Moznayim, Offenbach Ed. Page 7a,
Re: Ul-vinyomin nathan) who neither consider nor mention such a rule at all. But
also not according to the Radak, who does indeed mention it as a rule, not
without admitting that it has quite a few yotze’im min ha’Klall
(Michlol, Lyk Ed., page 140 a/b). Also Minchat Shay (Bamidbar 11,16) shares
this view.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Later Medakdekim (and/or Maskilim!), who
ignored the shita of the above mentioned Gedole Hameforshim, and stated as an undisputable
rule that any sh’va before BGDKF”T must absolutely be na and not
nach, have been rebuked by R’ Wolf Heidenheim (in his footnotes to
Moznaym, quoted above) and others. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Berysz Rosenberg<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=DE style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
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mesorah-bounces@lists.aishdas.org [mailto:mesorah-bounces@lists.aishdas.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Seth Mandel<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Mittwoch, 15. August
2007 00:38<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> Danny.Levy@teva.co.il;
ddcohen@gmail.com; Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: [Mesorah] Vesamti
Kadkhod</span></font><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The
hardmess of the first kef is older than that. It is listed as one of
the 7 Ogerah cases -- i.e. exceptions to the normal rules -- in the fragments
of the ancient masoretic literature in Arabic that are supposed to stem from
Ben Asher himself. Other examples classified as Ogerah are the <br>
first kaf in the first mi kamokha in Shirat haYam, as well as the hard gimel in
ga'ah and the hard kaf in yidd'mu ka'aven also in the Shira.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The
second kaf, yesh d'varim b'go, and I do not have time to elaborate. It is
better for me to turn this over to my elder, anyway...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Seth
Mandel<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:8.5pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>From: <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Danny.Levy@teva.co.il</span></i><br>
To: <i><span style='font-style:italic'>"David E Cohen"
<ddcohen@gmail.com>, <Mesorah@lists.aishdas.org></span></i><br>
Subject: <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Re: [Mesorah] Vesamti
Kadkhod</span></i><br>
Date: <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:45:08
+0300</span></i><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:8.5pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>This is one of the exceptions to the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>BGDKF"T rule. You will find it included in
the list of exceptions <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>in the Mesorah Gedolah on Daniel 5:11 (above the text
in your Mikra'os <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>Gelolos). </span></font><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:8.5pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:8.5pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>Minchas Shai there in Daniel writes <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>that reasons can be given for all the exceptions but he
does not give a <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>reason for this one. Many of the exceptions are
in Shiras Hayam and <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>there he gives some interesting reasons (see Minchas
Shai on Sh'mos 15:11, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>13 and 16).</span></font><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:8.5pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>Danny Levy</span></font><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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