[Avodah] The 13 middos

[Marty Bluke]

On Tuesday, December 5, 2017, Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:...
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> I do not understand this paranthetic comment, as it refers to a kind of
> mixture, a tanna who uses both styles of derashah, as an example of how
> they cannot be mixed. The willingness of the two batei midrash to use the
> others' methodology is stated outright on Bekhoros 51a.
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> One such tanna is R' Aqiva himself, eg Yerushalmi Sotah 8:1 (vilna 34a).
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> See RSRH's discussion in Collected Writings V pg 170.


See the Mishne Lamelech avadim 3:9 where he states that it is either or and
the 2 styles cannot be mixed, and his main proof is from the Gemara Shavuos
4b where the Gemara asks on Rebbe how can he darshen a ribui umiut like R
Akiva if in general he darshens Klal Uprat. We see clearly that the Gemara
assumes you darshen 1 or the other but not both otherwise the Gemara would
have no question.

See also tosafos nidda 30a s.v. Ushma mina where tosafos says that we
pasken that we darshen Klal uprat and not ribui umiut. That only makes
sense if they are mutually exclusive. See also tosafos shavuos 25a s.v. Rav
who also assumes that it is either or.

Regarding the Gemara in bechoros 51a it is actually a proof the other way.
The Gemara says that this case is an exception because it is not written in
the normal way of a Klal uprat and therefore in this case only Rebbe can
learn a ribui umiut but in general someone who learns Klal uprat could not
use ribui umiut.

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> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha
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