[Avodah] Kiddush hashem via issur

[Micha Berger via Avodah]

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 08:06:44PM +0300, Simon Montagu via Areivim wrote:
: Lowering esteem of HKBH or the Torah among people whose values contradict
: the Torah is not a hillul hashem....
: As RZS has often said here, kiddush hashem does not mean "good PR"

And as I repeatedly responded, untrue. A talmid chakham with dirty
clothes (or Rav buying his meat on credi, Yuma 86a) poses a chilul
hasheim because CH *does* mean "bad PR", vekhein lehefekh -- a qiddush
hasheim is something that draws others to avodas Hashem.

Later in that same sugya in Yuma, Yitzchaq od R' Yannai's BM says,
"Anyone whose peers are embarassed of his reputation is a chilul hasheim,
and R' Nachman bar Yitzchaq, such as if people say, "May the L-rd forgive
Peloni. Abayei then says this is like the beraisa on the pasuq "ve'ahavta
es H' Elokekha" -- that sheim shamayim should be beloved because of you.

The gemara literally defines qiddush hasheim has good PR.

To tweak that first quoted sentence:
Lowering esteem of HKBH or the Torah among people because they hold values
that contradict the Torah is not a chillul hasheim.

That isn't you pushing them away from avodas Hashem, it's them a natural
downward spiral. However, lowering that estaeem among people whose values
contradict the Torah's for other reasons is NOT "sheyehei sheim shamayim
mis'aheiv al yadekha."

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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