[Avodah] carrying an ID card on shabbat
zev at sero.name
Thu Mar 7 14:41:14 PST 2013
On 7/03/2013 5:13 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
> So you remove the manufacturer's and shaatnez inspector's labels before
> the first time you wear a garment on Shabbos? Unlike a key pin, this
> is permanently attached to the garment and thus batul to it.
> According to SSK pg 215 RSZA says this is why extra buttons sown
> onto a garment can be worn as well. (I am told RMF and RSYE hold
Those are batel to the garment. The permanent attachment is irrelevant;
they'd be just as batel if they weren't permanently attached. They have
no independent metzius, they're just part of the garment.
>> A key belt might work, but then there's another problem: we have a
>> whole chapter of mishna dealing with actual garments that may not
>> be worn because the wearer might remove them in the street...
> This was discussed widely WRT gloves. The gezeirah was about jewelry,
> and few say it includes anything but. (This ties to the discussion of
> whether qitniyos includes more than the original list of legumes.)
Where are you getting this from? The discussion about gloves is over
the metzius: is it likely that you will remove them, or not? There's no
doubt that if you are likely to remove them you can't wear them.
> The gezeirah was about jewelry
No, it wasn't. It includes shoes, which are certainly not jewellery!
One may not go out wearing a single shoe, for fear that one will start
to feel embarrassed and remove it. One may not go out with a shoe that's
too big, for fear that it will fall off and one will carry it.
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