[Avodah] If you have an electronic water meter, can you turn on your faucet on Shabbos?

[Micha Berger]

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 03:23:30PM +0300, Marty Bluke wrote:
: I don't understand your point here at all. When I turn on the faucet it
: causes 2 things to happen:
: 1. The water starts flowing
: 2. The meter measure the water flow
: 
: The question of neicha lei is whether I want the meter to record my usage
: or not? IMHO, the answer is yes. I am being billed by usage, if the usage
: is not recorded then I have no way of paying for the water so I want the
: usage to be recorded which means it is neicha lei.

I was questioning your assuming that "I am being billed by usage" is a
given, and therefore whether nicha lei or lo nicha lei to purchase the
water rather than steal it. The lo nicha lei includes being billed by
usage, which is what necessitated having the meter. I don't want the
meter nor the billing; I would be happier if PVWC put the meter on a
timer and gave me my water for free on Shabbos. Therefore, helping them
bill me is lo nicha lei.

-Micha

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