On 5/04/2012 3:56 PM, Micha Berger wrote: > I said "both idioms". But only one is used to justify chilul shabbos. And every posek until the 19th century ruled that failure to be mechalel shabbos for the sake of pikuach nefesh of einom yehudim would *not* produce sufficient eivoh to justify it. -- Zev Sero zev at sero.name