[Avodah] Achashverosh

Prof. Levine llevine at stevens.edu
Sun Mar 11 07:10:21 PDT 2012


At 09:52 PM 3/10/2012, Lisa Liel wrote:
>On 3/10/2012 2:25 PM, Eli Turkel wrote:
>><< Honestly. Â He wrote an entire book arguing about how Chazal were totally
>>wrong about the Persian period. Â The 
>>fascinating thing is that his primary reason 
>>for holding this position is that Greek sources 
>>say they were.  But then in this article, he suggests numerous times that
>>Herodotus was wrong about fairly major things. >>
>>
>>The problem is that Tanach agrees with 
>>Herodotus and not with Chazal. In order for the 
>>Talmud to use their chronology they are forced 
>>to say that various different names in Tanach 
>>refer to the same king while in fact the list 
>>aligns exactly with various Greek sources.
>
>It doesn't, really.  Nor does the Tanach agree 
>with Herodotus.  I mean, we could just go 
>straight to Darius the Mede, who doesn't exist 
>in Greek sources at all, let alone 
>Herodotus.  That alone disproves your assertion.

Is not this discussion tied to the "hidden 168 
years" that Rav Shimon Schwab wrote about in 
Comparative Jewish Chronology?  See http://tinyurl.com/7ltutjb  where it says

    * In “Comparative Jewish Chronology” 
(Traditions, New York, 1962), Rabbi Shimon Schwab 
explained that the 165 years were intentionally 
removed from the calendar in order to conceal the 
time of the Mashiach.  The rabbis were following 
a “Divine command conveyed by an angel to Daniel 
to “seal the words and close the book” at the end 
of a long prophesy which begins in Chapter 11:1 
and ends at Chapter 12:4 in the Book of 
Daniel”  Rabbi Schwab links this passage with 
another in the Talmud.  “In Pesachim 62b we hear 
of a Book of Genealogies, which, according to 
Rashi, was Mishnaic commentary on the Book of 
Chronicles

The Talmud informs us that this 
important book was hidden!  No reasons are 
given
..Rav (ca. 220-250 CE, Babylon) is quoted 
to have observed, “since the day the Book of 
Genealogies was hidden, “the strength of the wise 
had been weakened and the light of their eyes dimmed.”
    * Thus, Rabbi Schwab explains why the years 
are missing. The Time Tapestry explains how they 
were hidden. The rabbis used three systems to accomplish this goal.
I have posted Rav Schwab's essay at 
http://tinyurl.com/5u7l3v   It deals in detail 
with reconciling Jewish dates with secular dates. YL
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