[Avodah] chezi kaddish before mussaf

[Zev Sero]

On 10/03/2011 2:56 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 09:17:04PM +0200, Ben Waxman wrote:
> : In many shuls on Shabbat morning the Rav gives a talk after the sefer
> : Torah has been put back in the ahron...

> Totally different question... Why isn't it a Qaddish deRabbanan as it's
> closing the derashah?

Because the drasha is a very late addition, stuck in that position for
convenience.  Perhaps it would make more sense to have it after musaf,
before "Tana d'Vei Eliyahu", where Sefardim often have the rabbi give
a dvar halacha.

On 10/03/2011 3:16 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
> RYBS held that it's better to continue wearing one's tefillin through
> mussaf than to not put them fully away before davening. At least, if
> one isn't saying "Keser".

If one isn't saying kesser there's no real reason to take them off at
all, and IIRC the Taz says not to.

On 10/03/2011 2:17 PM, Ben Waxman wrote:
> Yet on Rosh Chodesh, we say Ashrei and U'ba L'zion, the STZ says kaddish,
> everyone takes off their teffilin and then some people start and some wait
> for the STZ. Why doesn't the STZ just wait to say chezi kaddish as we do
> on Shabbat?

That is indeed how it's done in L.  I'm surprised it isn't done in your
community.

Note: when, as in this example, kaddish is said after a break, the chazan
should say some pesukim quietly, because kaddish must follow something.

On 10/03/2011 3:41 PM, Allan Engel wrote:
> My Rav recently changed the procedure slightly. On the rare occasions that
> he speaks before Mussaf, the kehillo stops after Mizmor LeDovid, then he
> speaks, then they resume with Uvnucho Yomar followed by kaddish.

> I haven't asked him why he changed the previous practice.

So that the kaddish should not come out of thin air.

Personally, if I'm the chazan for musaf, I start again aloud from
"Hashivenu", for this reason.

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