[Avodah] Non-Jews Begin to Embrace Ketubah Wedding

[Zev Sero]

On 1/03/2011 9:25 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 09:07:58PM -0500, Zev Sero wrote:
>> What do you mean by "in the future"?  That on some future occasion people
>> will do something wrong?  That's explicitly *not* what he's saying...
>
> While yes, RMF does write about "shikhchas hadin af shelo yavoleshum
> qilqul", he starts the discussion of "belo amira" with a comparison
> to Shabbos 14 which is just such a devolution lemaaseh and ends with
> "aval hakha sheyargilu..."

It is not a devolution lemaaseh.  That's why I said to read it carefully.
At the point in the discussion that RMF refers to, it is assumed that
the misunderstanding of the tovlim will *not* lead to any qilqul.  He
explicitly derives his concern from Abaye's answer, *not* from Rava's,
and he then explains why Rava's answer was necessary in that case but
not in this one.


> And so, I think your opening accusation that the Melbourne rabbi who
> invoked the teshuvah was simply lying and relying on no one bothering
> to read the GIFs of the teshuvah is misplaced and inappropriate.

First of all, there is no reason to believe that just because someone
uses the name "Sydney Rabbi" to comment on a blog, that he is in fact
a rabbi in Sydney (let alone in Melbourne).  Second, no matter how you
understand the cheshash involved, to claim that the teshuvah forbids
her giving him a ring is simply a lie, because it does not do so.  You
cannot get away from the words "lekadesh", "lekidushin", and "usekadesh".


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