[Avodah] Moshe's name in the haggadah.

[Micha Berger]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:44:09PM -0700, Simon Montagu wrote:
: Ha! I thought that the tam's two words would be the most slam-dunk
: proof that we are not makpid on not quoting partial pesuqim in the
: context of the Haggada, but apparently tafasti merube lo tafasti. But
: there are other examples, including right there in "RYHG omer" -- the
: "etzba`" proof-text is only half a pasuk!

But another quote of a beraisa (? tosefata? mishnah?), and thus subject
to the same problem as the first one. We don't know how well preserved
the original forms of the citations are.

The Gra was strict on "full pesuqim", starting Qiddish from Vayar.

I presume he would say that the partial quotes were originally full, or
expected to be read that way.

I have no idea how he would address the text for the Chakham or, now
that it's no longer two words, the Tam. But it is his shitah, not mine,
and I presume the Vilna Gaon didn't overlook examples that obvious (to
him, if not to me).

: Same goes for Hillel's "Al matzot umerurim yochluhu", the hacham's "ma
...
:> The question we discussed WRT Fri night Qiddush is why most people do not
:> follow this rule. Saying "yom hashisi" would be okay -- 2 words isn't
:> a quote. Starting with "Vayar' Elokim es kol asher asah" would be the
:> whole pasuq. But whispering "Vayhi erev..." is starting mid-pasuq!

: Claiming that "yom hashishi" is 2 words and therefore not a quote is
: LAD dohek gadol when we're continuing with the next pasuk. I prefer
: RRW's answer (especially since it also works for "al ken..." at
: Shabbat morning qiddush)

As RRW keeps on telling me, it's the CI's answer. He was "just" mechaven
to it.

But my point was just that the whole notion of whispering the words was
(I thought) to avoid the problem, and if you don't use the "esnachta"
answer, it actually makes the problem worse.

:-)BBii!
-Micha

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