[Avodah] Who First Said It? 6

[Zev Sero]

rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com wrote:
> RZS

>> «I am.  Strict construction tells me that the issur achila begins,
>> midrabanan, after the 4th hour.  Absent any explicit statement
>> to the contrary, that includes anything that we don't eat on Pesach.»

> Aderabba! The minhag is to be machmir on d'oraissos not to dafeguard
> derabannans!  This is loose construction NOT strict!

Again, show me this distinction.   And in any case, from midday we're
no longer talking derabbanan but de'oraisa.  So why would matza ashira
be forbidden on Pesach and permitted on Erev Pesach?  If we're worried
on Pesach that it might be chametz, we should have the same concern on
Erev Pesach, even leshitascha from noon if not from two hours earlier.
If you want to be mechalek it's up to you to come up with one and prove
that we eat things on EP that we don't eat on Pesach itself.

 
>> there are things which we don't eat on Pesach
>> itself, but do eat on Erev Pesach, the burden is on you to prove it.»

> taanis bechoros

Huh?  Please explain.

> And NO the burden is to prove a minhag is extended and not strictly
> constructed this is obvious to any strict constructionist to read it
> narrowly NOT broadly!

Read *what* narrowly?  Where did you get even the tiniest hint that
it applies only on Pesach itself?  Where did the Ramo even mention the
words "besoch hapesach"?  If we have a minhag to forbid something, do
I have to prove that it's forbidden on all days of the week and not
just on Mondays?


> «Until you do, we
> must assume that when the Ramo says we don't eat matza ashira he means
> from the 5th hour of Erev Pesach until the stars come out on the 9th
> night.»
> 
> Adderabba until you show otherwise why make a machloqes Rema on RT!

For heavens' sake, *what* machlokes?  Since when did RT forbid matza
ashira at *all*?

 
> Any way gebrogts is a case that shlugs up the above s'vara anyway
> because it's not noheig on the 8th day. And that the 8th is stricter
> then the erev should be obvious! In galus it's only s'feiq erev, so
> there is a s'feiq s'feiqa!

Huh? Again, this makes no sense to me at all.
 

> Please produce hard evidence not spin!

You're the one spinning for all you're worth, creating a chiluk
between EP and P with no basis *whatsoever*.

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