[Avodah] saying kaddish together

[Micha Berger]

On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 06:49:20PM +0000, Elazar M. Teitz wrote:
: Both the g'mara and Orach Chaim require the presence of ten adult
: Jewish males. Neither requires listeners. Unlike chazaras hashatz...
: no such listening requirement is mentioned for d'varim shebik'dusha
: in general...

QSA 15:7 requires 9 listeners: Im ein 9 shome'in lehasheliach tzibbur,
lo yomar kelal qaddish.... and he says that this is true of any davar
shebiqdushah. (Although only rov of a minyan have to answer.)

The SA allows counting a cheireish hamedabeir ve'eino shomea' (OC 55:8).
But the Beiur Halakhah brings the Peri Megadim who was mesupaq. More
notably, he brings the Taz (in the MB s"q 38 the Taz is discussed as well)
about whether he can be counted toward a minyan -- WRT shemoneh esrei,
not Qaddish -- because he doesn't hear the berakhos he is answering. It
would seem the MB assumes an equivalence between minyan for tefillah
and for davar shebiqdushah WRT litsening.

The MB leaves the subject as a machloqes but "harbe makimim im pesaq
haSA", citing the shul in Alexandria with its flags telling you when
to answer.

Still, the whole discussion is about whether someone who knows what
he is answering can answer, even though he is deaf. The assumption
even according to the meiqilim is that all 9 must be following along
to know where to answer -- and to get back to the original point --
must be benei chiyuvah.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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