[Avodah] saying kaddish together

[rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com]

REMT:
> To be yotzei what? The "chiyuv" is not an obligation to say kaddish;
> it is to say it _for the tzibbur_, and more specifically, to be the one
> to elicit the response of "Y'hei sh'mei rabba" from the tzibbur. Shomeia
> k'oneh and kavvana to be yotzei are meaningless in this context.

The obligation for aveilim and yahrzeits who do not get to say their
own qaddish for the niftar can be fulfilled via shomei'a k-'ona

This obligation is aiui documented in tanna d'vei eliyahu and is
brought down EG in Kitzur SA 26 viz. The aveil has the obligation
or respinsibility to say Qaddish to be maaleh the N'shamah as per the
maaseh of R Aqiva. At least that is how I understand the sources and the
practice of asigning qaddeishim and davening. Otherwise let the Shatz
kavua do it all. And That's why an aveil iis termed a hiyyuv. I cannot
imagine what else this term means - except a hiyyuv for the amud or to
say Qaddish when he cannot get the amud!

Perhaps REMT has another understanding of the term hiyyuv or perhaps
disputes that there is such a thing to beging with.

And so, in order to accomodate y'somim who could NOT be a Shatz, qaddish
yassom was developed. If no hiyyuv why bother accomodating minor orphans?!

Everything so far is pretty clear in the Rav Hamburger article except the
shomeia k'oneh is my svara. And afaik it's used @ Breuer's by nephews
sons-in-law and others who want to say an "optional" qaddish but will
never get the chance

The kasha might be why not let y'somim be shoiemia k'oneh? I don't know
that answer.

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As far as daughters go, if a surviving daughter has a male child he
will be given a Qaddish in Breuer's after the direct children are
accounted for.

Since I'm saying Qaddish for my late brother - I would have to use shomeia
k'oneh to be say qaddish on his behalf because I am not on the radar as
a Hiyyuv there, only children and the one exceptional grandchild case.

KT
RRW
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