[Avodah] Kosher

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:48pm GMT, RRW <rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com>
wrote:
: When you buy uncertified products, there may be an entire slew of
: "bittuls" that may be genuinely relied upon.
: But when one certifies a product, lechatchilah's take over [EG ein
: mevatlin afilu issur derabbanan lechatchila]

I find the words "lechatkhilah" and "bedi'eved" (or bedi'avad) here to
be confusing.

When dealing with bitul, there is only bitul bedi'eved. This includes
anything made by a non-Jew, since he has no "lechatkhilah", and thus we
only get the taaroves after it exists.

So far, I used the terms lechatkhilah and bedieved relative to the time
of mixing. Let's talk lechtakhilah and bedi'eved relative to eating it.

As this point, bitul already occured. I am under the impression that
I can now eat the result lechatkhilah, that it is no less kosher than
had that 1% of whatever not fallen in.

Was I mistaken?

Because according to my understanding, once the non-Jewish company did
the mixture, the tarfus (using the term generically) is batul, not
there, and may be eaten with no qualms. (At least no halachic ones.
Aggadic concerns about whether it's still metamteim es haleiv would
drag us back to whether the cheftzah of mezuzah protects or the qiyum
hamitzvah. The mezuzah with a chezqas kashrus that kelapei shemaya galya
is pasul -- does it protect less? Perhaps the same question.)

This is at odds with what RRW wrote, and in general he knows YD far
better than I. Admittedly my understanding is something of a chiddush,
but that's the whole reason why it stuck in my head!

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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