[Avodah] Kosher

[rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com]

Dov Kaiser:
> That is why I am especially surprised that RRWolpoe, of all people,
> seemingly endorses R. Schwab's attitude that 'we are l'chatchila
> yidden' with regard to hechsherim, when this is not and was not the
> historical minhag of Jews since the dawn of mass-produced foodstuffs. 

WADR I think this misconstrues my position

Bottom line
- Individuals might be able to buy product X and rely upon bedie'eveds
  already in the process
- While a kashrus ceritifier may be proscribed lchatchilah from using
  that same bedieved.
- The history is that certain agencies lechtchila relied upon bedieved's
  and Rav Schwab and others frowned upon this. Now most of those
  bedieved's are truly used only bedieved

Think of Gelatin. Although articles have permitted animal gelatin
lema'aseh few kashsrus agencies would go for that kula. But AFAIK,
bedeived, it won't "treif" up your dishes.

When I was in Ner in Toronto [circa 1968] we bought local Heinz Ketchup
beshogeg not realizing it lacked hashgacha

The Rabbanim said it was "unkosher" but they were IIRC meikel on the
dishes bedieved.

If Bedi'eved would equal lechathcila then using dishwashers with meat
and milk at the same time would be OK according to many. BUT AFAIK, it's
not OK to do - except that bedieved we may not have to trash the dishes.

KT
RRW
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