[Avodah] mei marom

[Micha Berger]

On Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 11:26:05AM -0500, Zev Sero wrote:
: >I have no idea why you say that. The peshetl simply requires someone to
: >note "qoneh olamo besha'ah achas".

. No.  If you think that's all it requires, read it again...

It requires the centurion listening to the dialog between RCbT and his
talmidim, and seeing that as a martyr's victorious death. The reaction
is secondary, and is AFTER the centurion's decision. As long as anyone
calls it qoneh olamo, the result is the same.

: No.  If you think that's all it requires, read it again.  The whole
: How does teshuvah earn OHB?  What did he *do* to earn it? ...

Who said din is about what one does. As we read last week and will again
next Rosh haShanah, din is about ba'asher hu sham. Which teshuvah
changes.

:>Your statement about tzadiq gozeir explicitly relies on the centurion
:>NOT deserving it. He wasn't qoneh olamo -- RCbT so-to-speak forced the
:>issue despite that. Thus, a lack of justice.

: He literally *bought* it.  As for justice, he got in on RChbT's zechus,
: not his own..

Which is not just. You have someone who theoretically is capable of
getting hanaah from ziv haShechinah without actuall developing that
capability within himself. No preparing in the prozdor, but enjoying the
banquet anyway?

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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