[Avodah] so is she married?

[kennethgmiller at juno.com]

R' Micha Berger cited his post in Avodah 26:34 (less than a year ago!):
> See
> http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/getindex.cgi?section=E#ERUSINMURESET%20FROM%20AREIVIM
> RARakeffetR was chosheish for the problem of an engagement proposal
> accidentally being a wedding in one of his recorded shiurim,

What RMB actually wrote there was:
> RARakeffetR gives a general statement that since these things go
> belashon benei adam, and in Israeli Hebrew today "eirusin" means
> engagement, not qiddushin, an engagement ring given while saying
> something about eirusin wouldn't require a get. At least, they
> don't introduce more questions than engagement rings in general
> -- RARR recommends not giving the ring bifnei eidim.

What can he mean by "more questions than engagement rings in general"? What other general questions are there? Isn't this thread about THE general question?

(That thread over there was about a guy who deliberately confused the issue by saying, in Israel, "harei at meureset li b'tabbat zu", which combines the traditional formula for marriage and the modern word for engagement. But that's a very specific case, to which RMB seems to be quoting RARR as holding that it does not require a get. Which is why I wonder what RARR is so worried about, that *in* *general* he recommends not giving the ring bifnei eidim.)

Akiva Miller

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