[Avodah] some halachot of moser
Daniel Eidensohn
yadmoshe at 012.net.il
Mon Aug 3 11:28:09 PDT 2009
Zev Sero wrote:
>
> The Ramo permits the *victim* of a violent crime to masser his
> assailant. I'm not sure that other people are included in this heter.
I don't understand why you would think that possibly only the victim can
report his assailant to the secular authorities. Aside from the fact
that the source of the Rema explicity says otherwise.
*Maharach Ohr Zarua^ **(#142): … * Therefore it would appear that while
the victim of the beating is still angry at his assailant and he hasn’t
calmed down by complaining to the secular authorities and he can not
restrain himself from taking revenge – either the victim himself or his
relatives who are close to him - as a result I am afraid that the
perpetrator already has become wicked and that it is a minor thing in
his eyes to beat him again and this will lead to murder. It is therefore
not only the victim who is allowed to file a complaint with the secular
authorities, but it is in fact a mitzva for everyone to report to the
judge that Reuven hit Shimon. Therefore those who are filled with rage
report the crime to the secular authorities so the situation will not
escalate. And if this reporting to the secular authorities leads to the
judge taking advantage of the perpetrator and taking away all his money
– than the information is exempt. Because if he isn’t exempt then no
person will attempt to save his fellow man from the assaulter. ... If
the assailant is someone who regularly hits others and has done it
repeatedly and openly – and from his actions it is clear that he will
beat up anyone who disagrees with him – then it is a clear mitzva for
every Jew to report him to the secular authorities and request that he
be stopped. However if as a result of informing the secular authorities
they mistreat him and take away all his money – the informant is not
liable. Whoever is involved in improper behavior or with non-Jewish
women or with anything which might bring harm to the community – if the
community warns him to stop and he doesn’t listen – it is permitted to
inform on him to the secular government – that he is doing disgusting
things.
It seems clear from other sources that this ability is not limited to
the victim
*Sema (C.M. 388:30)*:This that the abuser is not reported to the secular
authorities is only when he is verbally abusive to the individual but if
he causes financial loss and surely if he beats him or causes bodily
suffering it is permitted to report him to the secular authorities as is
stated in the Rema and the Darchei Moshe.
If this is based on din of not standing idly by the blood of your fellow. The Rambam says:
*Rambam^ **(Hilchos Rotzeach 1:14):* Whoever has the ability to save
someone and yet doesn’t - transgresses Vayikra (19:16): Do not stand
idly by the blood of your fellow man. Similarly if one saw his fellow
man drowning in the sea or being attacked by bandits or wild animals and
he had the ability to save him himself or hiring others to save him –
and yet he didn’t save him. Or he heard that non-Jews or informers were
plotting to cause someone harm and yet didn’t warn the intended victim.
Or he knows that a non-Jew or influential person is upset with a fellow
Jew and he has the ability to placate them and to eliminate their
complaints and doesn’t placate them. And all similar situations which a
person doesn’t save his fellow man when he had the ability to do so –
has transgressed the prohibition of “don’t stand idly by the blood of
your fellow man.”
If it is an aspect of rodef then again - all Jews are commanded to help
*Shulchan Aruch**^[1] * <#_ftn1>*(C.M. 425:1): *One who runs after
another person to kill him and he is warned and yet continues pursuit –
even if the pursuer is a child – all Jews are commanded to save the
pursued by damaging a limb of the pursuer. However if that is not
possible and the pursued can only be saved by killing the pursuer then
he is to be killed – even though the pursuer hasn’t yet killed the
pursued. *Rema *If one breaks into another’s house to steal – he also is
considered a pursuer (rodef). But if it is known that he only broke in
for the sake of money and that if the owner resists he would not kill
him – then it is prohibited to kill him…. Someone who endangers the
community such as being involved in counterfeiting in a country where
the king strongly objects – then he has the status of rodef and it is
permitted to inform on him to the secular authorities…
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