[Avodah] we live in good times

Ben Waxman ben1456 at zahav.net.il
Thu Jul 30 14:08:02 PDT 2009


I was glancing at the Kaf Hakhayim before Maariv and he brought the sources in a very concise manner. There is a source that indicates that the walls were breached on two different days, but since people couldn't handle two fast so close together, we fast on the second day (i.e. 17th of Tammuz) only. However a ba'al nefesh might feel that it would be proper to fast on both days. However the Yerushalmi indicates that the two breaches were both on the 17th of Tammuz and therefore there is no need for a ba'al nefesh to fast both days. And then the Kaf Hakhayim adds that there is a Gemara in Baba Batra (60:B I think, but don't quote me) that indicates that a ba'al nefesh need not be makhmir in any situation where most people could not be makhmir.

Ben
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joseph C. Kaplan 
  To: Avodah at aishdas.org 
  Cc: Ben Waxman 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:06 PM
  Subject: we live in good times


  "There are sources saying that the walls of Jerusalem were
  destroyed on separate days, but we fast only one day because the tzibbur
  can't handle fasting too many days. Granted these two days (9th and 17th of
  Tammuz) are close together, but if we were to fast for every tragedy, then
  the effect would be similar."

  I just heard a shiur this past Shabbat in which it was explained that it is a machloket Bavli and Yerusalmi as to whether the walls of Jerusalem were destroyed on the same day of the month for both Temples (17th of Tammuz) or on different days (9th and 17th).

  Joseph Kaplan
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