[Avodah] Ta'aroves of yayn mevushal

[Liron Kopinsky]

Regarding us having to consider the "halachot" of ovdei kochavim, R' Zev
Sero wrote:

I can only conclude that if it's pasul for our nisuch, then whatever they do
> with it doesn't count halachically as nisuch laA"Z, so we don't care. They
> can call whatever they do whatever they like, but we don't call it nisuch,
> so the wine remains permitted.
>

R Akiva Miller wrote:

> But that's only l'halacha. L'maaseh, RZS is correct that we don't need to
> study their religious laws, and the reason why -- and I must stress that
> this is only my own conjecture -- is that both we and they happen to have
> the same rules.
>
> The concept of korbanos is ancient. It is from before Har Sinai, before
> Avraham Avinu, even before Noach, going back to Adam Harishon. It is not a
> particularly Jewish idea, but not a goyish idea either, but a human one. Of
> course, the Torah expounds on it, and gives many details. But if some of
> those details (like what kind of wine may or may not be used) happens to
> match what the AZ-niks do, I wouldn't be surprised.


In my own speculation I have understood this differently. We believe that
any article used by an oved AZ would become assur for us to use, I am not
sure if any sort of bitul would be possible in a case like this. WRT Yayin
Mevushal, I have understood it to mean that we recognize that there are
certain laws by which the different AZ religions operate. These are not
necessarily the same as our rules however, based on an understanding of
their AZ "halachot" the chachamim realized that non-Mevushal wine was
effective and non-Mevushal wine was not. It would follow from this why it
would be okay for us to use Mevushal wine for Kiddush, as we still consider
it wine but recognize that the goyim don't. In order to make a geder around
using actual items of AZ, the chachamin made a gezeira around the items
considered effective by the ovdei AZ as that was a common concern.

Shavuah tov,
~Liron
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