[Avodah] Ta'aroves of yayn mevushal

[Zev Sero]

Micha Berger wrote:

> But why is the issue in #2 in defining "nisuch"? Anything they were
> maqdish to their AZ would be assur behana'ah, whether a lulav from an
> asheirah or stam growing in an ir hanidachas, whether nisuch, taqroves,
> or a broom conserated to her. So, if it's not nisuch as we define nisuch,
> is their libation-wine not wine that's assur anyway?

I have a not-quite-there answer for that: tikrovet AZ, as a rule, applies
to that which was offered to their god, not to what was not offered.  When
they sacrifice an animal and then eat most if it themselves, the whole
animal is the offering, and what they eat is "mishulchan namuch ka-zachu"
so to speak.  The same would apply if they offered up a whole cup of wine
to their god, spilled a few drops as its "azkarah", and then drank the
rest with thanks to the god to whom it belonged.  But AIU the Greek and
Roman practise of libations, that wasn't how it worked.  The offering was
only the bit that was spilled - that was the "chelek adam rasha", like
"truma" so to speak, and the rest was "chulin".  In theory, therefore, it
would seem that the rest should *not* be tikrovet AZ, and should not be
nesech.  But for some reason either Hashem Himself, or Chazal in their role
of defining the scope of issurim de'oraita, decided that the whole cup is
nesech and assur behana'ah; and Chazal then made a gezera on all wine that
a goy moved, in case he was menasech it.  But if it's not ra'uy lenisuch,
by OUR rules, then it doesn't become nesech no matter even if the goy does
pour a libation from it; only the libation itself would be tikrovet AZ,
and since it's on the floor we don't need to be prohibited from drinking
it.  And therefore if the goy moves it but *doesn't* pour a libation it
doesn't become stam yeinam either.

I'm not quite convinced by this, but I can't quite find the flaws either.
What do other people think of it?

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