[Avodah] answering Amen to various brachot

[Michael Poppers]

(As before, forgive me (a) for being way behind in Avodah-digest reading; 
and (b) if someone has mentioned this already....)

In Avodah Digest V26#7, RSP wrote:
> ...To this I received the following response and which was also posted 
in
areivim:
>> I lived in Elizabeth, NJ from 1968 to 1974. Rav Teitz regularly came on
Sunday mornings to daven in the Bais Yitzchok shul on Bellevue Street. 
(For
those who do not know much about Elizabeth, Rav P. M Teitz, ZT"L, was THE
rov of the city. He was the rov of the 4 Orthodox shuls in Elizabeth. See
http://tinyurl.com/63gryd for more about Rav Teitz and his amazing
accomplishments in building Orthodoxy in Elizabeth, NJ.)
>> One Sunday morning an obviously Sefardi fellow whom I had never seen 
before
was davening for the Amud. After a moment or two Rav Teitz stopped him and
said, "You can pronounce any word the way you want except for HaShem's 
name.
You cannot say A--nai (that is, pronouncing a kamatz as if it were a 
pasach
as some Sefardim do.). You must say A--noi (pronouncing the kamatz with an
Ashkenaz pronunciation.) Your pronunciation is Chol for us and we cannot
answer Amen.... <<
[snip]
> Rav teitz's ruling seems to be a da'at yachid only applicable to 
Elizabeth
(then?) and it would appear that what rav teitz did appears to be 
applicable
ONLY to his own town, just as he had the authority to prohibit meat that 
did
not his have approval to be sold there.  Nonetheless, I am not so sure 
other
posekim would hold of his pesak. <
I would imagine that Rav Teitz zichrono livrachah (hereafter RPMT) was 
correcting the SHaTZ solely on behalf of the q'hilah and for the sake of 
the tzibbur that the SHaTZ was supposedly representing.  AFAIK, minhag 
hamaqom (w/ the maqom being the community which was under the guidance of 
RPMT and currently is under the aegis of listmember REMT) is that sheim 
Adnus must be pronounced as indicated above (and not only during t'filah 
but also during q'riyas haTorah, e.g. 1-18:3) in order to distinguish it 
as indicated above (likewise, when the word is chol, e.g. 1-19:2, it must 
be pronounced with a patach rather than a qamatz according to the 
pronunciation as indicated above).

In V26#10, RJFS wrote:
> It is regrettable that R' Pinxas Teitz is no longer alive to defend
himself; perhaps one of his living descendants will speak for him,
because this psaq, assuming it is correctly reported, does not appear
to be well thought-out....And yet, R' Pinxas Teitx, if this story is 
correctly
reported, publicly embarrassed someone rather than rely on this
normative halakha. <
WADR, a violation of minhag hamaqom isn't a situation based on logic, and 
I would not presume to question the need to stop a SHaTZ ex post facto and 
ensure that he properly represented the tzibbur for the remainder of his 
shlichus.

A guten Shabbes and all the best from
Michael Poppers * Elizabeth, NJ, USA
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