[Avodah] Kaddish where there is no chiyuv

[Rich, Joel]

S"A O"C 132:2 - Rama says to say a kaddish after aleinu even where there
is no chiyuv. Recently I was told by a friend that his Rav said this is
lav davka and really meant the final kaddish which is now after shir
shel yom. I vaguely remember hearing bshem R' YBS that the kaddish after
aleinu is the "real" concluding kaddish (vs. kaddish shalem)

 what are the actual practices out there? Any other  insights on the
above?

KT
Joel Rich

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