[Avodah] HQBH speaks through History [was R' Angel & Geirus Redux]

[Richard Wolpoe]

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:

> This thread went all over the place.
>
> II - Austritt, TIDE, and Israel
>
> But arguing for your perception doesn't make it the position of the
> movement to which you wish to align. They forced RAYK out over the
> Zionism issue.



> RYBS chose to leave (according to 5 Derashos) because he
> felt that HQBH spoke through history and told us Mizrachi was correct.
>
> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha
> --
> Micha Berger
>

And imho when HQBH made the USA the Torah centre [Post-wWII until at least
recently]  I believe that HE did not want a simple trnsplantation  an
Eastern European Ghettoi-ized Torah community but a more open Westernized
TIDE or TuM style Torah community

During Galus Bavle the Roshie Yeshiva left 11 years before the amcha.  This
should have been the case in the USA but the Roshei Yeshiva left Europe by
and large quite reluctantly.  Had they left en masse early on and done real
forward looking Keiruv instead of backward looking circling of the wagons a
generation might have been saved for Torah. That was the ideal of the early
Young Israel movement.

Agudah is OK per s. But the lements of Agudah and others tha are tying to
turn the clock back to pre-emanicaption Eastern Europe are imho hot heeding
G-d's imperative to move forward with a Torah that will survive and thrive
in the West and reach more people.

Those groups that do do outreach are of course to be commended. Aside from
the aforementioned Young Israel - NCSY, Habad,  YU's JSS,  Or Samey'ach and
others come to mind as getting out the message. Even Agudah in America has
given up on Yiddish as the "Mother Tongue" at this stage.  Had they jumped
AHEAD of the bandwagon [as did Habad] they might have been leaders of the
keiruv movement instead of relative late-comers.

A college/university education [or something similar] is a neccesity imho
for most Ortho's in the West who are involved with community leadership.
Rav Perlow [Novominsker] is a classic paradigm of what I mean by that.  R.
Dr. Twersky aslso comes to mind, not to mention the entire YU community.
-- 
Kol Tuv / Best Regards,
RabbiRichWolpoe at Gmail.com
see: http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/
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