[Avodah] Is having a good time ossur

[Richard Wolpoe]

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:00 AM, kennethgmiller at juno.com <
kennethgmiller at juno.com> wrote:

> R' Richard Wolpoe wrote:
> > I have heard besheim RYBS that only music that caused one
> > to get up and dance [lich'ora even if one did not actually
> > dance!] was the kind of music that is assur.  This dovetails
> > well with what I'm saying. I would suspect that our esteemed
> > moderator might also concur with this chiluk
>
> Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach would also concur with it.
>
> >From Halichos Shlomo on Bein Hametzarim 14:3 - "Hashira shenohagin bah
> issur biymei bein hametzarim, eina ela misug hashirim ham'orarim l'rikud. =
> The song which we avoid during the three weeks is only of the type which
> inspires one to dance."
>
>
> Akiva Miller



If you read Rishonim and  omit Acharonim the  issurim  on Sefirah seem
limitted to:


   1. Taspores
   2. nissu'in
   3. some kind of mleacha [shabasos tihyena]

IMHO [and this dovetails with Ramban] Seifrah is a quasi hulo shel mo'ed -
and as a result all of the above are assur. there is also "mitztzas aveilus"

AISI A big humra machine evolved.  Wel since nissu'in is assur what about
eirusin? So they assered issurin with dancing. all the other musical based
issurin are history.


> The flipside of this is that RYBS would assur parties during omer or
> the three weeks even without music.
>
> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha


WADR to RYBS this is sourcesless in Rishonim.  The point of sefirah is
MITkTZAS aveilus. the Rav tried to morph it into FULL_SCALE aveilus.  See
both Tur and KItsar SA  for the  list of miktzas

ALSO imho the Rav took simcha meireiu's to a new level. The Gmara in Mo'ed
Kattan is clearly refering to reciprocal meals and is NOT referring to
getting together with friends. I have no clue how the Rav morphed the
defintion of simcha meirei'us outside of the Talmudic parameters - especally
regarding Sefira whose aveilus is a post-Talmudic minhag

While it is TRUE that the deaths of R.Akiva's talmidim is recorded in the
Talmud, the first mention of any aveilus FOR US is strictly Ga'onic!
[After al - lthe Rav is the one who reejcted Ga'onic innovations wrt
additions to Tefillah [except for Zhcreinu leahcyyim etc.]]
I have heard that the Rav cited call detakin Rabbana ke'in d'orraisso tiknu
BUT

   1. Aveilus in genral is ONLY miderabbana to begin with!
   2. Aveilus during Sefirah is ONLY a minhag  of the Ga'nim

Ignoring #2 is imho acharonistic revisionism making a Ga'onic principle into
a Talmudic one. [Could be applicable to 2 vs.3 matzos on Yom Tov where
lechem mishna on YT is ONLY Ga'nic as opposed to Sahbbos which is Talmudic.
But the Rosh might hold that Ga'onic is higher leve -tantamount to Talmudl.
The GRA obviously did NOT!].

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The only reason for Ashkenazim to be super-strict might be the catastrophes
of the Crusades. But there is scant evidence that Rishonim went as far as
acharonim.

And aderabba, any pro-Zionist would see 5 Iyyar and and Yom yersuhalayyim as
factors mitigating for a LESSENING of Sefirah's aveilus in recent history.
or iow, after the Crusades heavy Aveilus was most approriate. Bizman hazeh,
[assuiming you are Zionistically inclined it is a time for ge'ulah.]

I recall members of the Breuer kehillah shocked by wholescale celebration on
5 Iyyar at YU. From the Breuer persepctive,Sefirah was being violated
[although by ZERO of the Rishonic models] From the YU model, Sefirah had
been mitigated by a tremendous yeshuah and the MINHAG of Aveilus would be
suspended for that day.

Parentheticaly - I am of the school to treat 5 iyyar [and yom yersulayyim]
just like lag ba'omer. No hallel, no tachanun.

However, re: my understanding of the Rishonic model, I have a real problem
having weddings at all during Seifrah if it is indeed a quasi hulo shel
mo'ed. [taspores would have slightly more wiggle room]


-- 
Kol Tuv / Best Regards,
RabbiRichWolpoe at Gmail.com
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